A week ago till now, I’v been following the french social boards, watched news on BBC claiming that the French parliament has a majority of votes banning it, the Burka.
They say if your wearing HIJAB without covering the face, thats fine, however if your covering your face, thats a NONO plus you’ll be fined.
What do you guys think ?
In my very humble opinion, I think that there are pluses and minuses to it.
Security ? PLUS.
Privacy? Minus.
Respect? Minus.
p.s: Thats a pic of my baby Lil Kim doing her thing way back in 2000, HAWT, HAH!
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I believe in equality. If they accept nude men and women marching around in pride parades, they should accept women who fully cover themselves. If its a security concern, they could set a law in which it states that any burqa wearing woman is to accept and expect to be searched and intorregated at any time any where by a government official. I don’t believe that wearing a burqa represents Islam in any way, but if they do, its basic civility to let them be.
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Well I think ena ga3d yet3adoon kh9ou9yat ilmar2a ou hatha setr bachr ygoloun mamnoo3 tgha6oon el thighs b3ad :/ ana ma a2ayed hal qrar kelish .. They are practicing their religion ou they’re giving them il7ureya enhum y6ee3on rabhum.. Ba3dain mu lazm eshofoun wyeeh ilnas 3shan ygoloun security ma security al7een eli lbesaw hoodies byan men wayehum shay? Ou etha I’m gna make a crime in public obviously mara7 I show my face fa meni menak hal qrar mala da3y
Niqab is not part of religion.
النقاب ليس جزء من الدين ولكن هو جزء من عادات وتقاليد بعض المجتمعات.
If you insist on calling it ‘religion’ then I think you should spend some time learning deenich before preaching other people
I support this … I like this shot btw
ana akrah el borga3 o a3tebrah elgha2 le shakh9eyat o kayan el mar2a, el mar2a el monaqaba ya3ny walshay ya3ny ehya momawgooda ya3ny etha ana mashay bel share3 el mara el mnaqqeba wel 9ofa nafs el shay!! athnainhom maya36oonek ay ta3beer. asef 3ala sheddat ta3leeqee bas el monaqqabat lazem yfakroon bel mawthoo3 o tara el neqam mo yay men el deeen bal yay men el 3adat weltaqaleed…. o elle te7terem nafsha o wogooodha el mafrooth ma ettenaqqab o ana a3teber el neqaab fee qellat e7teraam kbeeera 7ag el mar2a (ps: banat khaltee emnaqqebat!!!!!)
I even heard that germany will follow the same trend, but England are defending the use of Burqa
thanks for sharing
There is an MP in England calling for the same! If it happens in France, it will spread. England is probably the most tolerant.
Kuwairy: I don’t agree.. I’ll neqab setr lelmar2a kh9ou9an etha kanat jameela.. Hatha ilshay ekhaly ely maykhafoon rabhum yet3arethoun laha.. Ou ba3dain etha bte6la3 malek sheghl belnas ehya we’ll 6oufa wa7ed 3la goultek you don’t need to see her 3shan tkoon ensana bel3ax hatha seter ou elnas te7termha ba3dain wayh I’ll mara mala da3ee ilnas yshofouna..
Bs hatha mayalghee shakh9eyat’ha wla kayanha etha kan hatha ekhtyarha bs etha a7ad gha9ebha ok.. Bs ilseter mala da3ee belshakh9eya.. Al7een eli mfa9akha 9arat a7san men I’ll metsatra? Mafroth ilmathhar ma y2ather 3la her inside beauty o btw I’m not even wearing a Hijab and I’m 14 bs hatha rayee
I agree with B.
Btw@ kuwairy how do you compare an individual with a wall !! If a woman is covering her face she is not covering her brain. I wish people would stop being identified with form and be more open minded .
mahma kan lazm ne7terem ray w wejhat na’6ar ilbeldan ilu5ra. Ohma 7tarmaw qararna…ina 5alaw 3ady il7ejab 3ady ! ya3ny il7jab far’6 o 7aram yf9a5a ilinsan…ama ILNEQAB fa ohwa mo far’6 o la yo2tham ilinsan itha f9a5a…fa SHEL MOSHKILA YA59EKONA WOHMA MSAFREN? ana dayman a76 naffsy ib ma7lahom. o methel ma ohma ma yer’6on neqb 5ala9 la yaw deratna ma ner’6a yelbeson ily yabona w yatfa9e5on
“il3ayn bil3ayn wilsen bilsen”
-ana ashof ilmara ok lazim tet7ajab la2ana far’6 ama ilneqab fahwa mo far’6 o bs yulzam lelfatayat ilfatenat biljamal;P
ulla geragt;p
First off, yes the holly quran did command the women to cover themselves,but it didn’t tell them to cover fully that it would affect the security of other societies,which eventually leads to banning the burqa.
And the second thing is if you’re a muslim and you’re living in a western society that is against the islamic traditions,then don’t expect to feel comfortable to practice your religion as same as in your islamic home country.
Are we choosing to neglect remembering that France never liked Muslims in the first place, or that Europe is already allergic to the Muslim populations already in it? This is good old fashioned bigotry at its finest. And as always, the French are the pioneering culprit.
The fact that they are insinuating that to be a Muslim is already incriminating enough is disgusting and worthy of pointing out.
The more I hear about Europe’s steadily increasing flamboyant racism, the more I hate it.
First of all, the burga3 is NOT part of islam, it’s part of our culture. eli talbs il burga3 w ga3da testa5dem il islam to justify it 3ayal hathi MUTA5ALFA eb ma3na il kelma
! They should ban it in all european countries, and in Egypt too! il burga3 gam yantesher ib shakl FATHEE3 in Egypt, i personally dont believe that il burqa is a sitter, i mean WTF? NO ITS NOT! Tabeen il seter? Lebsai 7jab, oh yeah and i believe that 7jab is a choice ma7ad ygdar e’3a9b il woman 3ala shai ma tabi, allah 3a6aha 3agel so she can make up her own choices, ma te7taj wa7d yg3ad w yl3ab 3alyha, what’s up with people saying wayh il mar2a mala da3i il wa7d echufha, i mean? wayn ga3den??? sweetie not all of us like woman
, it’s a security concern that’s why they should ban it in EUROPE! STOP SAYING THAT IT’S PART OF ISLAM!! SWEETIE IT’S NOT!!!!!!!!!
This is my opinion and i really hope that u respect it
I have a point of view here:
Each country has the rights to do whatever they wants to show up the religious look or the atmosphere of it. … lets take some examples over here: Saudi Arabia, in some cities, Christians are banned to enter those cities, and in the other cities building churches is banned too.
No body talks, why? because its a country and they wants to do that.
Other Gulf countries: building churches is available, but without putting a cross or without making the lighthouse or the bell … why?
because its their rights to choose the religious atmosphere of their countries.
So when France ban the nekab or when germany ban the me2zana … its their rights to do so also.
I am completely against the neqab. If you have to uncover your face when you pray or enter el7aram, then I don’t see a legitimate reason for covering it elsewhere.
MOREOVER, your spirituality is not to be identified through form, ya3ni you’ll enter heaven through your neqab? Just a reminder that innama ala3mal benneyat o elli bya5ledoon fennar ohma elmonafiqeen.
O shda3wa al7een kel monaqqabat jameelat?? PLEASE!
the question is not about whether neqab is part of islam or not .In southern france there are more mosques than churches . france is full of musilms,the country should respect it’s civilians. even if they are a minority ,their rights should be respected.
W.M. Mno ga9 3laik ou gayelik its a part of culture??ou what do u mean not all of us like women.. Do you mean men like guys? Ou don’t call me mutakhalefa I’m not the one who made up stuff ena ilquraan ma amr ilmar2a enha tgha6ee wayeha.. Ana grait ilquraan ou grait tafseera ou aku link ta7t etha mu m9adegna Ou ba3dain etha they were concerned about I’ll security? Shno al7en etha I see ur face ra7 agool ok this guy is a bomber wla terrorist? I agree with B 3la ilsecurity concern bs ana madrii shfeekum ghasleen mukhkum ghaseel bs plz lazem u research gabl la tgoloon ena ilneqab bed3a aw shay.. Ou u can enter this site 3shan tshofoon ena ilneqab mu bed3a ou its in the quraan ou bel a7adeeth http://majdah.maktoob.com/vb/majdah8422/ ou eli ygool ena setr I’ll wayh mu mawjood belquraan khal yegra ilquraan kamel ou yegra tafsera..
Noorah: e7na ma gelna ena kel I’ll munaqabbat jameelat.. Gelt ilneqab 7ag ilJameelat ou etha hal munaqaba tshoof 3umerha 7lwa laish ma talbs ilneqab?
9ej ena ila3mal belneyyat bas tkhaylay al7een ana a9alii ou I give charity ou a9oum ou 7ajait.. Bs mu met7ajba wla lebsi sater ou a76 klonya ou metfa9kha.. Betdesh iljana? Ana mara7 agoul ena mara7 etdesh lana allah ehwa eli ygool.. Fa bel3agel.. Shaku elmunaqaba betdsh iljana 3shan elneqab? Ma7d gal.. Bs its one of the things she did le6a3at ellah. Ou please la7ad yaftii 3ala kaifa wallah 7raam! Regards
Cool down ppl…
If everyone accepted and respected you for who you are, disregarding ilneqab…
wallah ildenya etkon eb5er
o that’s what I call open minded
I personally think that some women that wear it:
* don’t like the attention of people (men) starring at them, because in some cases, they’re gorgeous.
* they’re just extremely religious
* only likes to show her beauty to her husband
* last case, she was forced ;s
so they should be respected by all societies.
I completely agree, etha ehya lfetat nathar hal ryayeel ou ftanat’hum tu2tham!
I agree with you up there and I like the way you guys think (Meme & Haya)
We have to respect ilmonaqabat either if theyre beautiful or ugly. They wear it for a reason and whatever that reason is, we have to respect and accept it with no questions asked.
W eli ygol its not part of our culture needs their head checked.
Its funny that you say you like the way Haya thinks and then just few sentences after you say “W eli ygol its not part of our culture needs their head checked.” because thats exactly what Haya was saying!
Burga is part of culture and is not part of religion
I think they should ban the ninjas all over the world
W.M as a woman I certainly don’t need you to speak for me, or try to elaborate on the fact that I can think for myself. The fact that you’re trying to make that statement like it’s some ground-breaking discovery is disgusting, and more importantly, ignorant.
To reiterate, this alleged law is associating what is perceived as Islam to be associated with crime, and that is a pathetic step on France’s part, as it’s only making it clear that it simply hates Arabs, their culture, and religion. As if hairy pits, raw meat, and buttery food provided an intellectual contribution to the world.
It’s not what you eat, it’s how you think.
If you’re saying that it’s their country, then perhaps parliament needs to consider forcing every westerner or openly-devout Christian not to wear a cross necklace because it could be used as a weapon. I mean, hey, if being ridiculous and paranoid is the way to go, let’s do what France is doing!
Viva la hairy pits!
Also, W.M
Woman = One woman.
Women = More than one woman.
Courtesy of a woman in a hijab who, rest assured, would not find you appealing in the least right back.
Islam made the arabian culture; you don’t see christian Kuwaitis wearing neqab? Do you? So islam 3adal ilculture ou ghyar feeh..
Allow me to correct you, Haya, Islam didn’t introduce Niqab. Niqab was introduced from other cultures that are not necessary muslims. Do we see christians or none muslims wearing Burqa? yes if you look there are in some cultures women wearing it. The truth is, until recently, niqab wasn’t spread so much in Kuwait itself. Just to add even more, the low in Kuwait bans a woman from driving her car with niqab.
Niqab became more widespread in Kuwait in the past fifteen or twenty years only. It was very popular especially among beduin girls who felt that Burqa is embarrasing and Niqab is more acceptable between el 7a’6ar. By the way, burqa is worn to protect their faces from dust storms and sand particles… thats in the past before it became part of their culture.
“Their culture,” wow, I had no idea Kuwait was so diverse. Are we feigning ignorance about our own culture now? Is that’ what’s hip these days? To appease who, exactly?
The Niqab was only made “compulsory” in Omar’s reign as caliph.
While the claim that the niqab existed before Islam, specifically in the Byzantine empire. However, there is no literature nor art to support that. So in short, no, the niqab was in no means as widespread amongst Arabs before Islam.
Since you seem to know a little about history and talking to me about Caliphs and Byzantine empire.. then enlighten me a little please.
Do you know what is Burqa? برقع
Do you know what is Boshiya? بوشية
Do you know what is Niqab? نقاب
Do you know who wore Burqa, who who wore Boshiya, and who wore Niqab?
So tell me who is pretending to be ‘hip’ now. My grandmother and her ancestors never wore Burqa or Niqab. My other grandmother however do wear Burqa occasionally.
Since you are the expert in history and cool enough to discredit those who you disagree with… can you guess the difference between the two grandmothers I have? If you can’t guess… read my above post (the one you laughed at…
there is a key word for you.
Now tell me, who is being ignorant about his own culture? You’re calling your self concerned… and I agree you have to be concerned… about your self!
Have a nice day
3azeez I think you’re over reacting.
Can’t we be more respectful of other ppl’s views and opinions and still express our thoughts on the matter ?
Are you saying that the concept of a veil is confusing to you, 3azeez? Semantics won’t get you anywhere.
Calm down, 3azeez, you’re acting very pathetic.
It’s okay when people disagree with you, especially when they trump your claims with plain old facts that anyone can look up.
@B, I don’t see how I’m over reacting… I asked simple questions which I believe its a fair thing to do. I don’t understand how it happened that three people came with same conclusion for a straight forward post like mine. Makes me wonder… lol
@HEROLIKE!, Did I say the concept of Hijab is confusing? reread what I have posted. It was straight forward. I think you are the one who is confused and over thinking
@CONCERNED, I would like to thank you for calling me pathetic and for calling me ignorant before that. I’m glad you acknowledge it is okay for people to disagree. What I don’t is how come you use such strong words towards people that disagree with you even though they’re not attacking you but simply raising an argument.
Anyhow, it was nice discussing this topic with you. Unfortunetly it seems you’re unable to proceed with the discussion and rather you called in the cavalry ;p LOL
I assure you, 3azeez, no one’s ganging up on you.
You’re trying to ask the guy to figure out personal details about your grandmothers when he pointed out some very brief history about when women in our region started wearing the viel in general.
You did, however, seem like you were trying to say that a viel stops being one if you give it a different name, which is what prompted me to wonder why he would know anything about your grandmothers, and when having him answer to such a demand would prove your point OR his. A veil is a veil is a veil.
The fact that there are no historical references to the veil before Islam expanded in the region serves to disprove your claim that it is a garment that was borrowed from other cultures: “Niqab was introduced from other cultures that are not necessary muslims”.
Perhaps you would be wise to remaster the etiquette of having a discussion on an open forum without resorting to logical fallacies, or acting like anyone who disagrees with you is somehow confused, irrational, or whatever else you might want to call us.
To add one more thing, had the veil been a piece of clothing to help cover our faces from the elements, there would have to be a male version of it that is as closely-knit to our culture as the niqab/burqa/bushia/paperbag, as opposed to simply covering one’s face with a qitra.
For the sake of avoiding confusion, I mean the face veil.
I think for security it should be banned!
Am I right (and I mean this as a question not a challenge) in thinking that when a woman is preforming 6awaf in Hajj – her face CANNOT be covered?
I’m with Concerned about why banning it is an obvious step in perpetuating the idea that to be Muslim is to be a criminal. Radicals do not represent the majority, and a woman with a face veil is no criminal just because France says so.
What’s so difficult about enlisting female officials to confront suspects in face veils to enforce the claim of preserving security? Or is every Muslim woman in a face veil a criminal?
As per your query about Hajj, Bu Yousef, as a Muslim who simply follows the Qur’an and the Sunnah, my answer is that since the face veil was not enforced in the Prophet’s time, but in Omar’s reign, I do not see it as comulsory either. The fact that it’s so crowded and hot during Hajj would make wearing the face veil extremely difficult.
I think wearing it in general is just taking that extra step to be extemely devout. I’m not fan of hovering near that zone, but also think it’s tremendously stupid of the French to have passed this law. I am well-aware of the exploitation of the face veil, rest assured.
What worries me is that it’s put hand in hand with what it is to be Muslim these days, which is an innacurate, but perpetuated untruth, all things considered.
Also herolike; in Hajj the woman could uncover her face because it is in Mu7aram and etha she was extremely beautiful the man wouldn’t do anything or “Yet3arath Laha” because they are in Baitu Allah Al Haram And ga3d e7ej, ou maku kuffar menak fa I think it ok ou I’m not making a fatwa cause I don’t know everything in Islam but I know a lot, still I’m trying to educate myself everyday.
I totally agree with B, the first commenter..
No matter where the burga/niqab/boshiya came from and why some prefer to wear it, it should be respected as a woman’s choice.
Whether a woman chooses to walk around nude, in a bikini, dressed regularly or covered entirely, it’s her choice and not parliament’s.
Ma 3arafnaluhum, if a woman is barely dressed, they call her bad names and she gets a bad reputation… and if she’s covered, she’s “oppressed” even if it’s her choice and not forced?
Why not do what B suggested and if it’s such an issue, give people (specifically women) more jobs by letting them be the government officials who can search and interrogate burqa-wearing women at any time any where?
It simply shouldn’t be such a big deal and I’m guessing the French parliament have more important issues to deal with?
Burga3, vail, neqab, call it whatever u want to call it , btw EVERYONE is entitled to her/his opinion
! Sorry bs i dont believe that el neqab is part of islam, that’s my opinion, ana mu ga3d aftiii 3ala kaifi, w ana mu munaf8 :S ! Oh and ‘concerned’= im not speaking on ur behalf , im just expressing my own opinion. I respect all women that wear it, kel wa7d 7urr, yalbs elii yabi e7b elii yabi esawi eli yabi, i DONT judge people by what they wear/like/look/act! A close friend of mine decided to wear a neqab, so i dont judge her by what she wears, im not god to judge
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I believe that respecting people and being polite with them is a great sign of courtesy in the eyes of society
HAYA: yes, not all men like women
! We come in different sexual orientations
you would be suprised…..