And more importantly, the aya you spoke is from surat Al3mraan, aya 159 and its wa law kunta fathan ’3aleeth alqawl lanfadhoo min 7awlik.

Love that aya!

Please don’t think I’m upset. I disagree with your approach YES, but I still think you’re clearly a very nice person. It’s just that I love to see humility in people and I value people who say things like “Im not sure” and “I don’t know” and “I have to check because I could be mistaken”. I love to see people who as they grow older and read more realize that there’s SO MUCH more that they don’t know.

You know why? Because it’s dangerous, very dangerous for us to put words in Islam’s mouth. I can say I believe this or that but if I say Islam believes this and that shouldn’t I at least check or give reference? If I say something is from the Quran shouldn’t I make some effort to find out which aya or how the aya was said especially with how easy it is now to find these things in the internet?

Zaat is all!

Oo zain swait 7agarta laish tig3ad italasan bil blog jidam Allah o 5alga with some guy that doesn’t even matter just delete oo 5ala iywalli.

Lemme answer you one by one.

EGO is a new term used. I dont recall the Aya exactlly, but it refers back to the msg that the ALMIGHTY sent to his messenger Mohammed (PBUH) when he went a little angry on an OLD fellow once and the aya is said along these lines ” wala takon ghaleethan fa yanfathawo il naas min 7awlik ” It is refering ofcourse to his EGO/SELF being impatient. So he was asked to be more patient and hold a long breath. YES ?

EGO is the new terminology for SELF/NAFS.

Let me give you a modern example, One reader once told me im a jerk for something I didnt do (lol).

What would happen here ? If we speak frankly, I would say, my ego got hurt cuz somebody tried to step on it. In my case, it didnt, cuz the first thing that came to my mind was, does he/she know me to begin with ? why would i be offended ? LOL, so I let it slip by “choice”. Since il nafs amara bil soo’a, then I would have let my tongue do the job and made him regret the day he lived yes ? But m not like that, thats not me now. Thats the old ME. The untamed me.

Oh and about the last part you mentioned, I would very much love to do so. I have adapted this meditation process 2 years ago, I have many stories to tell and alot of things that I hope would benefit you and the readers too. I would very much love that.

If only most people were discussing things like we do, you know, being civilized and all, ohh, that would be great !

Inzain can I ask you for something? You’re very encouraging of the idea of separating you from yourself, right? I think this has nothing to do with religion and more to do with therapy and cognitive behavior and THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT bass yarait itsawee post about the mental benefits of separating you from yourself LEAVING RELIGION ENTIRELY OUT OF IT and I think it could make for intriguing discussion. Shgilt?

I am talking about Al-Nafs. Al-Nafs has different layers, ego is one.

Now back to you,

See that last paragraph ? You just answered yourself. Yes the Quran did mention “Alhamaha fujoorhaa wa taqwaHA” We already agreed that there are different levels of bad deeds/sins/wrong doing (I never mentioned EVIL), we did mention al nafs al lawama.

And that is why I said it needs to be controlled cuz its wild.

I guess the only difference you and I have are the belief systems of separating “You” from “yourself”.

Its a big concept to digest, yet, sit down, think about it, take a breather. You see, if you “GET” this concept, your life will shift.

I believe that what you were ultimately getting at were the Id and the Ego or perhaps the Ego and the Super-Ego, right? Those were mentioned by Freud structural model of the psyche, not God. My discussion revolved around “alnafs” as far as Islam is concerned.

At any rate, a friend reminded of a couple of ayat that I should have thought of from the beginning, they’re from Surat Alshamss I think and mention nafs wa ma sawaaha fa alhamaha fujooraha wa taqwaaha. So while there is mention of fujoor there is mention of taqwa. So that’s yet another reference directly from the Quran stating that the nafss can be good.

Other religious teachings may view it differently.

If you dont separate YOU from YOURSELF, you wont get it. ever.

Ok 7adda 7adda il discussion going no where.

Yulla kila waa7id we’ll find more fruitful things to discuss in your future posts inshalla.

first of all, lets separate you from yourself. YOU = GOOD, yourself = NOT.

YOU = controller of yourself if your Mo’men, a true believer.

There is no contradiction with al nafs al mo’6maina, for these reasons:
- Nafs = bad
- because your a mo’men, you controlled/disciplined/tamed it, and made it = GOOD.
- All the verses in Quran when desribing this GOOD state of mind, it is always refering to Mo’men wether its heaven, god’s mercy and angelic/earthly creatures acceptance of you.
- You never find a reference that says AL moslim, its always al mo’men. Its very specific.

I hope this solves the contradiction you got, plus a better view at al nafs.

Regarding your reference to Al-Fajr Aya,

Yes, you described three levels of the self that sins, yes ? Ofcourse we are not the same, thats why we all have different stories, motives and problems given by the ALMIGHTY for us to be tested.

But what is the test ?

Overcoming yourself’s desires, needs and above all, EGO.

Are we there yet ?

p.s: I love how you hinted on Buddhism, I love the belief system but im not a buddhist LOL

But I do feel that you and I may be hitting a wall in the discussion. I could be wrong but I think, due what you said about a “chapter” about Desire, that you’re talking in terms of other religious teachings? I am not well acquainted with Buddhism so I sort of have a different mentality in that sense. I think maybe that’s where we’re hitting a wall. As far as I feel my religion goes, there is no separate chapter that “might need to be neglected”. The way I see it is that in life you’re presented with options, you can opt to give in to wrongdoing, making you one of those guys ili nafsa amara bil soo2, or you can opt to try really hard to avoid wrongdoing and do a lot of good deeds and you would be one of those guys with “nafs mu6ma2ina”. Bass. To me it’s that simple.

Still, I’d like to address some of your points if you’ll bear with me:

Regarding your statement: “Now, When do they say Nafs mo6ma’ina ? they say it when your “ba3ad 3omer 6owel” dead and gone. Thats the only state.”

I’m afraid it’s not true. Nafsi ma tseer mu6ma2inna ILLA itha ana kint zaina gabil il mot willa sh7aga mu6ma2ina? Itha ana 5aayrita nafsi ra7 tkoon moo bass mi5tar3a illa mit9arwi3a marra wa7da! OO ba3dain there’s no “they say it ba3ad 3omrin 6weel” ya Abdulla makoo a77ad yeg3ad ysolif ma3a rab3a wigool ya jimaa3a tara Bu-Jwaiss ili mat tara nafsa mu6ma2ina Alla yur7uma! Ya Abdulla it’s God saying it, it’s an aya in the Quran. Surat Alfajr!

And regarding this point: “Please realize that when they refer to nafs 6ayba, it is always associated with al Mo’men”

So you’re saying you do believe inna fee nafs mumkin tkoon 6ayba? Shwaya contradiction or maybe I’m misunderstanding?

And finally, and this is the main reason I think we’re hitting a wall, you said this:

“I challenge you and any reference in the whole wide world that states ina the Nafs/self is a GOOD being.”

I already did that, it’s from the Quran in Surat Alfajr. I actually made three different references varying in degrees regarding ilnafs. SOME people’s nafs is good or better than others and some people’s nafs is bad BECAUSE it makes it too easy for its owner to screw up.

Imagine if God created us all with an evil nafs, then how could it be fair for some of us to be sent to hell? It wouldn’t be. We were not created evil. We have a choice of nurturing and guiding ourselves to whatever path we choose. OO bass salamtik hatha ili 3indi!

im just saying that verbally, it makes sense, to me at least. I love the part where you mentioned in-directly how “MalaseeeN” i3yal this generation

But I still like the phrase, makes it much acceptable.

check this out ” Moreover if you look at the from Surat Alra3d that says that allah la y’3ayir ma bi qawmin 7ata y’3ayiroo ma bi ANFUSIHUM” see that ? Why did the verse say change yourself first ? Why ? Because it was made as a wild being. As you said, it has to be tamed.

Now, When do they say Nafs mo6ma’ina ? they say it when your “ba3ad 3omer 6owel” dead and gone. Thats the only state.

Yes your right, there are types of nafs, their levels of sin differ.

Please realize that when they refer to nafs 6ayba, it is always associated with al Mo’men (A true believer) you know who’s in that level and what they have to go through to be there, a lot of discipline and self shutting.

About temptation, there is a whole thing/segment/chapter for “Desire” that should not be mixed with the “Self/Nafs” cuz that is an additional volume of needs/greed/sensual/hunger that sometimes might need to be neglected.

I challenge you and any reference in the whole wide world that states ina the Nafs/self is a GOOD being.

Ofcourse, the option is always there, but you have to know how to monitor your brain, your thoughts, decide what you need instead of what you want.

Lakim overall, Im super glad that a “light is shining through” <– for some reason, I want you to remember this quoted line.

You'll know why later & I hope when you do, you'll like it. SURPRISE SURPRISE !